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My host is completely gender-critical and I am more utilitarian in adapting myself to whatever is most comfortable for who I am talking to. So, maybe slightly less gender critical, but I don't feel that I understand it enough to claim anything of myself beyond the body and mind's physiological and biological categories.

Did so on the forum too, if anyone wanted to write something there.. https://community.tulpa.info/thread-tulpas-influencing-body-language

Tulpas influencing body language?

To those of you with tulpas whose gender is opposite of yours, have you noticed any changes in your mannerisms because of that? I've had my girls for a while and I occasionally find myself doing subtl

Oh affect? I'm unsure how I was to interpret that I think

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I guess there's differences and the differences aren't really influential to my host beyond him having more clothes to wear.

A related thread more about tulpas' individual mannerisms, albeit only when possessing or switched: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-possessed-switched-tulpa-mannerisms

Possessed/Switched Tulpa Mannerisms

I've been asking some of the more advanced members that were capable of full-body possession (and in some cases, switching) what their tulpa's mannerisms were like when they were in control. Did the t

If I have any different behavior patterns that is seen as better to use in the context of a real-world situation, we will switch so those behaviors are expressed or something like that, so there isn't much of a difference, I think.

Wish we had people posting stuff like that on the forum. It's getting a little lonely.

give it time, tulpas still aren't mainstream

Oh, I am not very good at forum things. Usually passwords are forgotten and prior threads are forgotten and all. I like the immediacy of chats. It also feels like better beginner practice for time-sensitive proxying and all the other stuff tulpas like to do as they improve

"Give it time"

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https://community.tulpa.info/stats.php

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All time, counting every single day since the forum came to exist in 2012, whether or not anyone posted anything

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Posts per day: 90.08 Threads per day: 6.35

6:31 PM

We've had about 6 threads this month?

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Although it's happened before, now is one of the times it's been exceptionally dead, so I'm just saying I'd really appreciate more #tulpa-discussion ... on Tulpa.info.

It happens regardless of gender.

i think the community is mostly based on discord now

9:53 PM

more than the forums

and Reddit

that too

As long as it's away from Reddit, we're fine. It's a shame that the forums aren't utilized anymore, but times change, and progress will always prevail. It's just a shame that it had to be on Discord where they're always collecting our data.

is r/tulpas really cancerous or something? I know they've heard of me there but I've not been

11:23 PM

also didn't know .info was dying

.info is not dying

I do not think r/tulpas is a place I would want to be, really. I would say that is my personal opinion. And I do think .info is doing very well, especially now.

I might ask what issues are generally had with the subreddit?

I do believe they usually accept meta claims and such, really, without much challenge, and with praise, even. (edited)

.info was pretty much dying at a point, due to the rise of Discord and other communities with more lax rules and methods; most which I don't support and consider quite toxic to development and communities on their own. Now that we're on Discord, we can bring in people who are serious about this and would like serious discussion about tulpas without being forced or influenced by bad behavior/advice.

11:33 PM

.info likes to stay down to earth, whereas others tend to keep their heads in the clouds.

Reddit has very much not been accepting of meta claims, recently, funnily enough.

I see, I have not been on the subreddit for some time, but from what I have seen, it has been overly accepting, to the point that I find it sickening.

What you may find, as well, is that the people on the subreddit may take views such as my own. Views shared, to an extent, by many of the people here on this discord as well, and take them out to be an inherently immoral position. That is to say, to many on the subreddit, viewpoints which are not "tulpa are the same as people" in full, are unacceptable. This extends, in effect, to any point in which your tone or ideas begin to point in that direction. That is largely my issue with the subreddit at this point. .info seems very much to be better in that regard, of what I have seen of it. (edited)

is r/tulpas really cancerous or something? Think of all the really stupid questions you've seen about tulpas, where you don't even know where to begin they're so bad.

2:32 AM

That's the entire subreddit.

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It's a great place for newbies, but even our system isn't strong enough of heart to be there.

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Their mods and regulars are true heroes.

2:33 AM

... But yes, every single time we've been to the subreddit at least two things on the front page were quite bothersome.

2:34 AM

also didn't know .info was dying It's not, it's actually been deader than now. Unless you mean since 2012-2014, in which case yes, it's a shadow of its former self. Serious tulpamancers got the answers they wanted and left.

2:34 AM

But we need to stick around to answer questions for newbies who prefer the more well-written approach.

Exactly.

3:16 AM

That entire subreddit should be ✂ for the sake of everyone.

Doesn't this place accept meta too?

In #metaphysics .

Magic topics are perfectly fine, as long as one is ready to have them questioned on an empirical basis - including requesting empirical evidence to be provided. Otherwise, it is also perfectly acceptable to say that no evidence exists and to propose a means of testing it on an empirical basis to demonstrate its validity.

Do any of these meta guys ever provide any evidence for their metaphysical claims?

No.

take a wild guess

It's more occult than meta.

But, I am perfectly happy to discuss the claims and the evidence behind them, to make sure that it is disciplined and not demonstrably biased.

To be honest, i also feel like the word "metaphysical" is legitimizing supernatural claims as if it was serious philosophy.

I don't think most any would disagree that it doesn't matter if it is true or not - what matters is that the validity of it is demonstrated in a consistent and unbiased manner, so that it can be taken seriously.

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Hah. I prefer to simply call it "Magick", myself.

if something can be consistently demonstrated, then it is true though.

4:32 AM

and yes, "metaphysical" is a weasel word.

Consistency doesn't prove things true.

Consistent, predictable results demonstrate enough to have a functional model of reality. The key word being "predictable".

Fiction can be consistent and predictable too

I'm getting the sense that "consistent" is being used to mean different things by different people here

Ye, Winter, you mean consistency of the hypothesis with itself or with scientific knowledge we have? I mean the first.

Consistency with the hypothesis doesn't actually matter too much. Theories do need to be able to predict how reality works. That is the whole point behind a theory - if a theory can better model how the world works, and has better predictive power, it is a better theory.

5:14 AM

Naturally, if it explains things consistently with existing science, but has less predictive power and does not account for other data, the model with more predictive power which accounts for other data is better.

Right, plenty of non-predictive models can be made to explain the data we have observed or even historical observations. In fact, an infinite number of such predictions are possible, with most of them being completely wrong when you test it by seeing if it holds true in testing outside of the historical parameters. This is why some false models still follow the tulpa community around to this day-- to more casual observation and even to some testing, the models seem true enough and people trust their own perception so much it isn't worth investigation.

boop

10:38 AM

beep

Bleeeep

Well, it's not easy to reliably investigate something (or someone as most of us claim) you're attached to emotionally while it's hardly intersubjective.

That's a super cool idea, I think. I don't really know of any from that sort of situation, but good luck with writing the story.

>trying to dissipate a tulpa

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7:28 PM

I have never met anyone with actual experience in that beyond their tulpas just stopping to do anything.

one of my tulpas committed suicide and then came back 1.5 years later

7:59 PM

they just dont die

A lot of other tulpas in my mind dissipated. Sometimes they come back for a while. Not a big deal.

8:57 PM

Like not being?

8:58 PM

As I said it's not a big deal for us.

9:00 PM

Well, you just don't live. Nothing to say here, really. There may be different reasons. In our case we had too many tulpas and couldn't keep all of them needed. They had no reason to live so they dissipated.

9:02 PM

Nothing. Null. Void.

9:05 PM

They just stop living. Sometimes gradually. They are not needed, they have no reason for themselves to live. And they are no longer. Although sometimes they come back.

that... that sucks (edited)

Are there any good studies on parallel processing? Or even good examples of anecdotal evidence?

Sarou in the tavern

3:46 AM

proving it is mentally possible

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Sarou has DID though

There should be a few simple tests that can be done, depending on the claim.

@SkyeNet, do you know of any datasets on results from simple tests. Or even case studies?

On the topic of simple multitasking you can find a lot of research

But pertaining to plural systems?

Not regarding tulpas specifically.

3:52 AM

That said, "multitasking" is essentially the same as most claims of parallel processing.

On that, there isn't much. It is near impossible to get good data on stuff like this without an unbiased observer/researcher and the funding required for a real study to be done.

At the very least, "multitasking" does severely reduce effectiveness of the tasks being performed.

hmm

3:54 AM

pour Sarou

yo guys

7:51 AM

when your tupp talks

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does it feel like someone elses thoughts are popping into your head out of no where?

pretty much

okay cool... cool...

For the most part yeah

8:16 AM

occasional (outside of my head) voices that scare the shit out of me and it turns out to be them.